Healing the Soul

The Essence of Ayurveda

Session 1 Part 3 Transcription

Babaji: If we think about these things with common sense, we can come up with real answers. It doesn't have to be that "There's only one right way." Why are there so many religions in the world? Because God respects our preferences, so He makes different religions for different tastes, different foods for different tastes, different spiritual teachings for different tastes. Our taste is that we want to get out of this material world; we want to come face-to-face with God, in a very positive way, in a loving way. And we want to realize our eternal nature and our eternal identity: our identity in the spiritual world, who we always were and always will be. 

So that's our purpose. We also want to start a community here in Mexico, in the beginning here in Mexico City; but we also want to establish a farm community. We want to revive the old ways, where people are in harmony with nature, and are using the herbs and other natural products of the land to enhance their health and consciousness. Our community is based on the Vedic scriptures; we have all the Vedic scriptures on our computers. I'm not making this stuff up; this isn't my opinion, but we're simply repeating the knowledge from the Vedas. We have a disciplic lineage going all the way back 5,000 years or more to Lord Krsna Himself. 

So we're not giving you something new, something manufactured in the tiny human brain. We're giving you the timeless knowledge, the Absolute Truth; that truth that's always true. And this is food for the soul. We all crave this knowledge. The world is changing faster and faster, and it's going off the cliff. Everybody feels this, but what's the cure, what's the answer? The Absolute Truth. When we're established in spiritual consciousness, that means our knowledge never has to change, because those truths are always true, in every time, in every country, for everybody. 

So we request you to please come back and join us again. We'll have, I guess, four more sessions, and we'll go into the same basic information we discussed tonight, but in much more detail. I want to introduce you to the language of Sanskrit, to the Vedas, the original texts, so that you can understand that we're not editing, we're not changing anything. For everything we do, we have a reference; and if you want to know what it is, I can show you the original books. 

Just for a small example, when you download a file on your computer, the computer calculates a checksum to verify that you have the original data. The Vedas were using checksums 5,000 years ago; every verse has a checksum, so that nothing will change. If someone makes a [copying] mistake, it can easily be found out. Similarly, the Vedas knew the speed of light, the diameter of the solar system, the masses of the planets and the Sun, and many, many more scientific facts: the atomic theory of matter, the fractal, cyclical nature of time, and the quantum nature of all changes and transformations. 

This was [known] thousands of years before Western science discovered these things. So where did people who lived in grass huts get this kind of knowledge? From a source higher than human beings; ultimately, from God. But we can also do the same; [the problem is] simply that in modern society, these techniques have been made secret. We want to bring these techniques out, so that everyone can experience them. So that's our mission, and we hope you will join us. 

It's getting late, so I'm going to take five more questions. OK? So I'd like you to ask the best questions.

Question: What happens--talking about religion--when people become fanatics?

Babaji: Oh, you can't have a conversation with a fanatic; either you listen to them, or you don't. 

Question: But spiritually what happened?

Babaji: Spiritually? You mean, if you hear from a fanatic?

Question: No, with the fanatic itself.

Babaji: You mean what happens with them? Well, Jesus talked about the fanatics; remember, in the Sermon on the Mount? He says, "They get their reward." He was being sarcastic. In other words, they get a much lower result than people who deal with God with love, and who deal with others with love. So Jesus' final conclusion is that God is love, and [the real] religion is love. That doesn't mean that one person declares [that] they're right, and everybody else is wrong; that's authoritarianism. That always leads to oppression and exploitation, because it's basically politics. So, we don't like politics; we're willing to discuss everything. In fact, up here I have cards with an email and phone [number], and you can always contact us with your questions. OK?

Oh, let's see... eenie, meenie, meinie, mo... [laughter] Who has not asked a question [already]? The cards will be on the table here. Who has not... you haven't asked a question.

Question: Do you form part of a religious organization belonging to where the Vedas were created?

Babaji: No. As I said, every time you form an organization, it turns into politics. You can't help it; that's human nature. As soon as there's something to control, then a certain type of person will come and try to grab it. So what we're forming is not an organization; it's a school. So in a school, you have the teacher and you have the students; everything is clear. Although I studied in my spiritual master's school, we're starting all over again from scratch; we have no affiliation with any other group. My loyalty is to my teacher.

Question: What have you pre-designed for the organization that will develop locally?

Babaji: There won't be an organization [laughs]; but we will have teaching relationships with different individuals. Everyone is an individual; that is fundamental to our teaching. As soon as you begin to treat people in a group, then you lose the personal approach. So our policy is to honor the individual at every step. That's why I say, go ahead and ask questions in the middle of the talk; I have no problem. Because if it's not clear to one person, then maybe half the people have the same question, but they're afraid to raise their hand, or something; who knows. 

Question: She's asking more knowledge about the soul: where does the soul reincarnate, what happens after death...

Babaji: Oh, boy; that's a whole class in itself. Our first class will be mostly about that [subject]. Basically if we don't understand the soul, we don't understand what we are. If I go around thinking that I'm a giraffe, I'm going to have some very strange experiences. "Why can't I reach this tree?" Huh? So, if we think we're a body, but we're actually a soul, then we're going to miss the [greatest] opportunity of [human] life; because we're actually different from this body. And when we approach life as a spirit soul, as a conscious transcendental entity, then everything looks different because our point of view is different. 

Consciousness... well, here's something for you; you'll like this. Consciousness means point of view. For example, if we turn out all the lights at midnight, paint the room black--the whole room. And then, a black cat walks across the floor. Will we see the cat? No. But if this room is white like this, and all the lights are on, then will we see the cat? Yes. Same cat; different context. So, there are so many truths like that, things that we cannot see when we're in the dark, thinking that we're this body. But when the lights are on, then our knowledge lights up everything like the Sun, and we can see so many things. 

So to leave you with a final thought: instead of cooking you a meal, I would rather teach you how to cook. So we're going to give principles, and when you apply those principles in your life, automatically you will realize so many things. 

Here's a new voice...

Question: What happens to a person's karma in healing therapy?

Babaji: Oh; different things can happen. Some healers actually transfer the karma to themselves; this is very dangerous for the healer, so we have to watch out for this. The best healing is education; that's why we concentrate on education, because by education we can help a person avoid creating bad karma. So the best healing is actually educating someone not to do the things that cause them distress. And there's one more thing I want to say: the other thing that we teach is how to dissolve karma. 

Are you a healer? All are healers? So this is a big question, huh? An important question. So the best thing you can do for your patients, your clients, is to teach them that they are a soul. They're not the body; they are the consciousness within the body. The soul is the living force. So if the living force becomes blocked, or if the living force becomes out of harmony in some way, then different diseases can manifest in the body. So the best thing you can do for your clients is to help them understand the science of the soul. 

In the first session next week, we're going to cover the theory of consciousness and the science of the soul in great detail. Looking forward to that, huh? This is nectar, because if you understand that... The science of the soul is fundamental to everything else in spiritual life. So if you understand that, you can understand everything.  

Question: In how much time will you open a real school in Mexico?

Babaji: What do you mean by "a real school"? A big building? You have to pay so much money, mucho dinero?

Question: A Vedic school.

Babaji: We can't have a Vedic school in Mexico City, because we cannot live the proper lifestyle. We can't live a natural lifestyle in the city. So our activities here in the city will only be outreach and education. When we establish our community in the country--we're looking at Veracruz or Oaxaca--then... huh? We'll figure it out, but when we find the right place, then we can invite our more advanced students to that place. Because there's so much you have to know first. Before you can enter a real Vedic school, there are so many prerequisites. Just like if you want to go into graduate school, there are so many prerequisites. So it'll be on that [high] level. So we're going to have classes here, and people can prepare for that; it's still in the future. I don't know, maybe a couple of years away. I'm not in a big hurry; I'd rather do it right. Which means, no power-tripping. If somebody comes when our group starts to get big, and they start politics, they're out; I don't want any politics. I would rather have five sincere people than a big building and all the headaches that go with it. That's our style; small is beautiful, and sincerity is beautiful. 

Well, OK one more question.

Question: What do you think about organ transplants, and the karma involved in the transaction?

Babaji: [whistles] Personally, I would not accept an organ transplant. Does that answer your question? Yeah. 

Look, I trust in God. I have been working exclusively to satisfy God for forty-four years--really my whole life. When I was three years old, I was sitting in the church, and I saw the stained-glass window of Jesus praying in the Garden [of Gethsemane]. And the light is coming down [from God]. And I said, "I want to do that; I want to be like him: I want to talk with God, face-to-face." So the disciples are asleep, and Jesus is praying so intensively that blood is coming out of his pores. "Yeah; yeah, I want to be like that," at three years old. So the very next thing I thought was, "Who am I going to find to teach me?" So the rest of my life, I was looking; everybody I met, I was examining, seeing if they could teach me that. [It] means, they have to be doing it themselves. So, I found my [spiritual Master] Teacher when I was 22. And when I was 27, I went to india. 

So I trust that God will give me the knowledge I need to deal with every situation. When I was 45, I had a heart attack; I left my body, I went to the spiritual world, and I didn't want to come back. [laughs] So I'm not afraid of dying; I'm afraid of being stuck here! [laughter] So why should I take on a huge karmic debt just to maintain the body? I know a guy who thinks he's very, very spiritual. But he was fooling around with these different medicinal plants, and he took too much [belladonna], and his kidney died. He had to get a kidney transplant from his daughter. I say, "What's so spiritual about that? Why are you taking on this huge karmic debt?" "Oh, I get to live a few more years and do some more service to God." 

But look, if it's your time to go, [then] it's your time to go. Why fight it? You see people going in the hospital and spending thousands of dollars for specialists and operations, tubes coming out everywhere... It is because we have forgotten the science of the soul; we don't know how to die, we don't know how to just let go [of the body] when it's time to go. We're afraid; everyone is afraid of the unknown.   So if we don't know the soul and we don't know the spiritual world, then we're afraid to die. We cling to the familiar, even if it's bad. See? But a progressive person who knows the science of spiritual life, they want to advance, they want to go beyond, always higher. 

So we set the bar very, very high; because my guru taught [that] "If you go hunting, go for the rhinoceros." Shoot for the elephant; don't try for some small game. Then even if you fail, you still get much more progress than the ordinary person. So we're shooting or the highest goal that we can find. Even if we fail, we still have a better life than the average person; we even have a better life than the exceptional person. 

Question: So if that person [who received the organ transplant] continued living, what is that called? The will of God, or being disobedient?

Babaji: I would say it's being disobedient. It's like God was calling him, and saying "Haven't you played around enough already? Haven't you done enough stupid things? Now it's time to come home." But he didn't want to listen; he fought instead, and caused so much trouble to his daughter, and spent so much money. 

OK, so we've been here three hours; thank you very much for your time, next week we'll be here again, and I hope to see you all. [applause] Thank you so much.